John is calling from Bennington. Rick van de Poll: Oh yeah absolutely. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Part II. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. I didn't see him online. Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. www.wildlife.state.nh.us, Buy or Renew Your Saltwater Fishing License, Great Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. What's going on. We're gonna talk about sightings in this part of the program as well we'd love to hear your story. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. How far were you from this cat. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Caller: Oh hi. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? If so that's for us as an agency. Phone number 1 800. You know interactions are pretty unusual. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Kyle I think about Rick Tate wants to jump in here. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. Have it reported down in the Keene area. So. Sam Evans Brown. Do they travel. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. 235 or nhandy@ledgertranscript.com. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. Caller: Hi. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her . Absolutely. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Yes. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Thanks for your call. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. David Erler says some of them probably have. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. So take care of this problem. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. And it was unmistakable. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. And they were using all the habitat. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . Thank you very much for listening. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Well I can't tell you what you saw. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Think you've seen a mountain lion? You don't know what's going on. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. And Rick Van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. Peter Biello: Let's go to Mike in Epping. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. Over a period of a year and a half, this Mountain Lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. Mountain lions live in the state. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. Chapter X, Predators, Panther (Mountain Lion) From History of NH Game and Furbearers by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Mike you're on the air. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Yes and you want to share what you learned. Your support makes this news available to everyone. This is the exchange. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Deer Bear Moose Grey Wolf Coyote Foxes Fisher Mountain Lion NH Wildlife History. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. We're not in the woods. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. Share. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Can we go to the site. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. It was not a bobcat. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Having not found any evidence is not the same as saying there are no mountain lions, its the same as saying we dont know. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. So I don't understand really how how this this idea came to be but it is the main reason why folks believe that fishing game is is covering up the fact that there are mountain lions in the state again with no evidence. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. So now what's going on. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. So that did it for me. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. 50 feet above the most. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. And it's not really strong. The brother and sister big cats have lived . If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Something along those lines. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Patrick Tate: Yes. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. You saw what you saw. Caller: I have yeah. Right. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. He said matter of fact I do. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Theres tracks everywhere. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. No that's a little bit outside the range. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. We'd love to have you in the queue. The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. New Hampshire Public Radio | Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. Sam Evans-Brown: And when we talk about subspecies this actually leads to to an interesting tangent which is that the field of biology recently has been sort of revolutionized by the use of DNA to determine what subspecies are. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. Caller: Yeah. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. No doubt in my mind it was. One was in Shelton. They were able to do all that by genetics. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. Mountain lions can be found throughout Arizona, and data suggests the populations are not only stable, but growing. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Really appreciate it. That's pretty elaborate. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. They are the same thing. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. 1957. Well let's talk a little bit about that. First off if the standard for an agency to go forward with the public and put out a press release that them outlines here their believers are going to say I told you they'd been here the whole time. I'll send it to you. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. And you know all that. Early in the morning. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Caller: So I've been telling this story for five years or so and very few people believe me. We had six copies printed out each. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. Pelosi story here we go. Good morning guys. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. Tim Yeah. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. But Absence of Evidence Is Not Evidence of Absence, Right? We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. What do you think that. About Lions. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Have a photo. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. She is renowned for tracking. Like why would you want one wildlife. Sam Evans-Brown: Well first I want to sort of explain why what the theory is but then also throw a bit of cold water on it because I don't think there's much much logic behind it but essentially is that if fish and game were to acknowledge that there was a population of Mount lions in the state there's a chance that something like a listing under the federal Endangered Species Act might happen and then there'd be you know some they'd have to put a plan in place to protect the species there'd be you know restrictions put on development. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. This is where things start breaking down when you so I get pictures with this great description and one of my favorite stories is a great description what the witness and then so I called the witness and wanted information from them and the person says What are you talking about. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax.
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